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1st Jul 2008, 23:09 #1221should we agree on paradox? or mutation?
i still think mutation of some sort
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2nd Jul 2008, 04:18 #1222[quote1214967700=Dark_DJ]
should we agree on paradox? or mutation?
i still think mutation of some sort
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the paradox i was talking about and the idea of mutation aren't mutually exclusive.
because evolution is not "mutation" in that, one individual chickenesque dinosaur randomly had an egg that hatched into an actual chicken; that's mutation, but it's not evolution. evolution isn't based on change within individuals, it's the change in genetics of a population over many, many, many, many, many years. (the fact that evolution takes so long is why it's so hard to directly observe, except in the case of microbiotic life--because of their high reproduction/genetic recombination rates--and even then, it still takes a looooong number of years.)
so basically it would be more like a group of chickenesque dinosaurs gradually, over time have offspring with increasingly chicken chicken-like features because they help them survive better. let's say that all of the more chickenesquedinosaur-like offspring are succeptible to some disease or there's something else (like a natural event) that makes the more dinosaurlike creatures more likely to die, which means the survivors would be the more chickenchicken-like offspring. this process would continue where the helpful features (that show up via mutation/recombination) are encouraged and other features are weeded out gradually due to the surroundings. the chickenchicken-like creatures would overtime continue having offspring that get closer and closer to being real chickens, until you get to actually get to it.
i'm not an expert on evolutionary theory or anything, and it's been a while since i've studied it (so if i made a mistake, someone can correct me or whatever), but i don't think a lot of people really understand what it's about. i know i didn't until three years or so ago, and it was just kind of like "woahhhh."
anyway, the thing i'm talking about with the tadpole paradox proposes that you take a picture of a tadpole every day as it matures into being a frog. the thing is you would think there should be one day where it is a tadpole and then the next day it's a frog. but it's pretty much impossible to pinpoint the moment in time when a tadpole ceases to be a tadpole and is therefore a frog.
this is the same case with evolution, because it's really, really hard to tell when, for instance a population of chickenesque dinosaurs cease being chickenesque dinosaurs and are what we would call a chicken. so... it's kind of impossible to tell at which point which came first...
...if that makes any sense?
(and yeah... i know i'm taking this entirely too seriously, but i can't really help myself... lol)
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2nd Jul 2008, 04:23 #1223thats exactly what i was thinking too- no im serious- but i didnt say it. i didnt know we were getting this technical.
"I love the sound of my speakers dying for the sake of my music."
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2nd Jul 2008, 12:36 #1224Okay. It's 4:30 AM. I am literally afraid to go to bed. I've been hearing the most horrifying, loud, disgusting, straight out of a horror movie bug sound I've ever heard. I've been inspecting the area where I hear it from, expecting to see a bug the size of my head, but I've never seen it. It's hiding. Which, by the way, makes it all the more frightening. You really have to hear this to know just how freaky it is... I've been Raiding the **** outta that area, but it just keeps making that sound. That terrible sound... Sends a shiver down my spine...

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2nd Jul 2008, 12:52 #1225
God, I feel sorry for you. I know how annoying bugs can be, but I dont think Ive had it so bad as you do now. Hope you find it though.
2nd Jul 2008, 13:30 #1226I have a general phobia of insects so I know how you feel, sorry about that.
2nd Jul 2008, 14:01 #1227i just hate flying bugs.im not scared of them,but they make it their goddamn business to fly in my window at night and buzz around the lightbulb for hours on end.then when i turn out the light everything is quiet for about a minute.then they start buzzing around again,this time because they CANT see the lightbulb.so essentially what it comes down to is i have to kill every bug that comes in my window.which is a friggin pain.moths ftl
2nd Jul 2008, 15:58 #1228i also have a sort of phobia about bugs, flies etc. not too bad with spiders, but even large buzzing flies make me run like hell!
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